Is Electrical Engineering An Art?

In this episode of the Sparky Life podcast, Lia speaks with electrical engineer Ayesha Wilson about her career and advocacy for STEM outreach. Ayesha shares her inspiration from astronaut Kalpana Chawla and her path to circuit design.  Ayesha's dedication to teaching and mentorship shines through as she discusses breaking down academic gatekeeping and the value of collaboration between different skill sets in engineering. 

Ayesha is an Electrical Engineer committed to climate-focused technology solutions. She has worked on developing sensors for the restaurant industry, aimed at reducing water and power consumption in dishwashers. 

Ayesha has also worked on farm robotics, where she designed electronics for robots for harvesting fruit in hydroponic grows and designed solutions for UV treatment to replace chemical pesticides. Helping make farms more resilient to labor shortages and climate change.

She combines art and electronics to craft pretty PCB jewelry and conducts workshops in electronics, programming, and soldering. Ayesha is a strong advocate for open-source principles, sharing her designs to foster inclusivity in engineering and reverse gatekeeping.

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Transcript

Ayesha (00:00:00) - A lot of times I get asked by friends and family to fix random things, which I have no idea about. I think that's what they are like. I'm very good at the subset of things. I'm good at designing things. I'm good at understanding circuit boards, high voltage or something like I don't I can't wrap my mind around, but I think everyone just thinks it's the same, like high voltage stuff like power distribution. Yes, AC voltage that is out of my world, which I do not know anything about. But they were like, why is this not working? And I was like, I have no idea. I'm just like, you know, as much as I do.

Lia (00:00:35) - But you're an electrical engineer. How do you not know? I experienced the same thing. Welcome to the Sparky Life podcast. I'm your host, Leah Lamela, and here I share skilled trades conversations with those I've met along the way. The Sparky live guest today really knows how to light things up. I can't hold myself.

Lia (00:01:11) - I was introduced to Ayesha Wilson by my friend Alexis Armstrong. Aisha is an electrical engineer committed to climate focused technology solutions. Some of her work includes developing sensors for the restaurant industry aimed at reducing water and power consumption in dishwashers. She also designed battery systems and motor controls for Ryobi power tools. Ryobi. I think I'm saying that right. You'll have to forgive me. I'm a Milwaukee fan. I'm not too familiar with this brand. Aisha is passionate about skilled trades and Stem outreach, so of course I had to have her on Sparky life. Aisha combines art and electronics to craft beautiful PCB jewelry and conducts workshops in electronics, programming and soldering. Aisha and I went over some common misconceptions about electrical and being in an electrical career. We discuss Terminator technology and try to come up with a better ways of communicating the magic of electricity. Welcome with me, Aisha Wilson. Thank you so much for coming on Sparky life and being here with me.

Ayesha (00:02:35) - Yeah, I'm so honored to be here. I'm excited.

Lia (00:02:39) - Aisha.

Lia (00:02:40) - I discovered you through one of my girlfriends, Alexis. So I'm sure you're familiar with her and her podcast, The Smoko Podcast. And when I was flipping through your reels, I saw the beautiful designs that you were making. And it reminded me of when I dabbled in Adafruit and like Adreno.. Electrical engineering. Is this something you always wanted to do or like? How did you follow this path? What happened?

Ayesha (00:03:15) - Yeah., so I didn't know anything about, like, Stem. No one around me was like engineers or scientists. But I learned about love, and I was in school. I can't remember which grade, but my teacher, just like, out of nowhere, told us about this astronaut called Kalpana Chawla was the first woman to go into space from India, and I just got really fascinated. I started reading up about her and I wanted to be an astronaut. I wanted to be just like her., so that's what sparked it. But,, learning more about astronauts. I had heard that.

Ayesha (00:03:50) - Or I read that they have a ham radio license, which is an amateur radio license. And I was like, oh, that'll be cool for me to get. I can maybe then talk to astronauts and like, somewhere in middle school, high school, I was like, learning all about this and all of ham radio stuff is electronics. So that's what like sparked the interest. And I was like, this is really cool. This is what I want. I want to keep learning and doing. So that was my kind of like a twisted road journey into engineering.

Lia (00:04:18) - I love it. I actually know how hard it is to do what you do because I, I tried myself like with the Adafruit and Adafruit is what I would describe as a user friendly for someone who's just starting to understand how this whole process works. So a lot of people aren't familiar with what it is that you create and what it takes. Can you tell me how you would describe, like, break it down to the best of your ability, what it is you're actually doing?

Ayesha (00:04:55) - Yeah, I mostly do circuit design, which means that I'm making products for different applications.

Ayesha (00:05:03) - A lot of what's on my Instagram is just stuff I do for fun, and for Stem outreach to get girls excited about engineering. But in my everyday job, I have a full time electrical engineering job. But I design circuit boards, which means that I have to understand what different components on a circuit board do. So I have to read data from all around me, like wind or temperature. So I have components that can read that. Then the microcontrollers, which is like the brain of the circuit that can read and do analysis on the data, and it can control motors that can read batteries. So it's kind of a game of all these different components and figuring out how to make them work well together and designing that is what what I kind of do. And then I put all of these on something called printed circuit boards, which is something I designed. And they're usually like these green, square, basic looking things that are in all that electronics. So for fun, I try to make them like fun shapes, like flowers.

Ayesha (00:06:07) - All those Pikachu. Yeah.

Lia (00:06:11) - So cool.

Ayesha (00:06:14) - I love what I do.

Lia (00:06:15) - I love it too. It falls in line with building automation and I started my electrical career in building automation. It makes me think of Terminator. You're basically getting one little device to talk to another little device and kind of get them to work. Minus the trying to kill you aspect. Like like.

Ayesha (00:06:35) - Yeah, you're dealing with higher batch, higher voltage than ideal.

Lia (00:06:42) - But it's still the same concept. You're building a circuit. You're getting electricity to operate a device. And you're using electronics and technology to tell it how to operate the device. It's super cool. You're like harnessing electricity.

Ayesha (00:07:07) - That's like magic. Yeah, I feel like a wizard. Yes. You are.

Lia (00:07:11) - You totally are. And I think it's very admirable that you want to get more women involved. Why do you think a lot of girls aren't involved in this type of Stem and skilled trades career paths?

Ayesha (00:07:30) - There's like different levels, I think, from what I've observed.

Ayesha (00:07:35) - A lot of girls are not encouraged, first of all, to take up these careers they have. They don't get that communication that boys get. But this is something you can do in life. And often like the whole the math brain math,, get pushed down, be like, oh, you don't have this. Or like if you get I think like there's a little bit of perfectionism that's forced upon girls. I don't know if it comes internally, but if you don't get like 100% right, like girls tend to withdraw from going into that field. So that encouragement is not there to begin with. And then like once they do get in there, it's just because there are not enough of us there to support each other. There's a lot of discouragement in school, in like, career paths that they have to face, which a lot of women like then drop out, which is also unfortunate.

Lia (00:08:24) - Yes, yes. I want to backtrack to something. You hit on that. I was like, ding ding.

Lia (00:08:29) - Okay, so the math myth thing, I didn't even realize how many studies are out there claiming that females are lacking in mathematics.. And then all of the psychological information that we have regarding when you tell someone when you label someone as oh you're not good at blank, they will then unconsciously live up to that expectation when that potentially isn't the case at all. Yeah. So I think they're talking about like neural pathways and all this new understanding of how the mind works.. And when you said that the math myth plays a very big role, I completely agree with you because when I was in school I didn't get good grades mathematically and I thought that I was terrible at it, I hated it. And then when I got into the skilled trades my math skills like skyrocketed. And it's like, Holy cow. I never thought in a million years. It just different setting, different application. And it started to sink in.

Ayesha (00:09:50) - Yeah, I was thinking, I don't think like math is also taught in an application based way, which a lot of people, that's how they like to learn.

Ayesha (00:09:58) - One of my friend Josie on Instagram had this amazing reel where she's talking to her mom, and her mom said, oh, I'm not good at math. But then she makes this, like really elaborate knitting project which uses so much geometry. And she's like, well, you just applied Pythagoras here of all of this. And then he would know you were doing it.

Lia (00:10:19) - It's just exactly I love that it's so dead on. It's like it's a direct link to why there's this disconnect. Right? So we have amazing women like you who are on social media. And I just did an interview with this phenomenal young lady who's 12 years old, viola, and she does Hvac. Oh, wow. She got into it with her dad. Her dad does Hvac, and I asked her if her peers. She's like a junior high, that zone. Does her peers know anything about the skilled trades? And she said no. And I asked, what would you think if they heard about what you do? And she said they would think it's weird.

Lia (00:11:09) - And that in her social media realm, like what they watch, there's nothing about skilled trades, nothing. How do you think we can get our like, little brothers and sisters to kind of see Stem and skilled trades and how fucking cool it is? Yeah, yeah. Because they're missing out. They are missing out. What do you think? Something that we could do to reach that that new generation?

Ayesha (00:11:39) - Yeah, I think a lot of it is because this assumption of what people in skills, trades, engineers, they all look like and they have like a very monotonous life. This is all they do. So I. Showing that there are people like us who are doing these things, who have other things going on in life, and we really enjoy what we are doing and all these other aspects that make it cool. I think just representing that wholesome picture is so important. Yeah, because they need to imagine us and you think about.

Lia (00:12:13) - Right? You mentioned that idea of that, you know, being in electrical engineering, it's like all you do and having this dull life, so to speak, you are big into a specific hobby that's super cool that you have on your Instagram.

Lia (00:12:33) - Can you tell me how you came across that?

Ayesha (00:12:36) - Yeah, I was skating. I was doing okay. I'm like many hobbies everywhere. Skating is one thing that just stuck, like really stuck with me. Yeah. So I just moved to Denver,, two years ago, and then I was like, saw someone skating on the road. And I was like, that's so cool. I kind of want to skate. I was like, I wonder whether advice skates and just went online, bought skates. And I thought of doing derby. A roller derby. Yeah, but I got the wrong skates. I was like, oh, I'm not buying another pair of skates. Let me just use these kids and skate around my house. And then I came across a skate park, which I've never been to a skate park in my entire life. But I was like, I can maybe skate here because the concrete smoother, but then they're like all these ramps and walls and just watching people do all these things.

Ayesha (00:13:23) - I just like building up skills, and it just works with my brain where I'm like new challenges everywhere, different things to work on. It's just like, I think it's about like engineering a hobby.

Lia (00:13:35) - Yes, that's exactly it. And talk about well-rounded. You're an electrical engineer on one hand, but you're a badass skater chick on the other.

Ayesha (00:13:46) - Yeah, two different worlds, but they work. They totally.

Lia (00:13:50) - Work. And I've seen you. I've seen your reels. You're really good. Thank you. I work.

Ayesha (00:13:57) - Really hard. I haven't skated in three months because it's snowing now, but I like when it's warm. I pretty much go every day. So it's a lot of practice, a lot of falling, a lot of getting up. So yeah.

Lia (00:14:07) - It sounds like it builds really good resilience. Falling down, getting back up for sure.

Ayesha (00:14:15) - It's definitely things that those skills have definitely translated in my everyday like work. Just like the resilience part, like you mentioned, to cause problem solving.

Ayesha (00:14:24) - I'm sure there's something you face to like you're stuck on something, but then it's so easy to give up, but then you have to push through that and like try different things to solve something, but something. I've seen a parallel in skating and it's something I've developed from skating.

Lia (00:14:40) - Yes, certainly. What's something about electrical engineering that people think they know but they have no idea. Oh, that's such a good one. I don't know this.

Ayesha (00:14:56) - I guess related to circuit boards, I don't. Do you mean like electrical engineers? No. Just like in general.

Lia (00:15:02) - Like when people think of what does an electrical engineer do, what people think you do and what you actually are doing usually don't align. And there are parts about your job that they have no clue about. Like, I know when what I used to think an electrician did and now as an electrician, what I do, I'm like, Holy cannoli. Yeah. You know. Yeah.

Ayesha (00:15:31) - I think so. A lot of times I get asked by friends and family to fix random things, which I have no idea about.

Ayesha (00:15:38) - I think that's what they got. Like, I'm very good at the subset of things. I'm good at designing things. I'm good at understanding circuit boards, high voltage or something like I don't I can't wrap my mind around, but I think everyone just thinks it's the same. Like electrical. Yes, high voltage stuff like power distribution. Yes, AC voltage that is out of my world, which I do not know anything about. But they were like, why is this not working? And I was like.

Lia (00:16:05) - I have no idea. I'm just like, you know.

Ayesha (00:16:08) - As much as I do.

Lia (00:16:09) - But you're an electrical engineer. How do you know? No, I experienced the same thing right now. And that's one. This is one of the reasons why I love building automation, because you're talking about taking like 480 and stepping it down to 277 and 277 to 120, and then it goes down into a control panel of even 24V DC. And my knowledge on DC, I'm trying to expand right now.

Lia (00:16:36) - I do fire alarm and I'll have people come over to me and be like, yeah, you know,, can you tell me why my three way switch isn't working in the house and da da da da da. And I'm like. You know, I don't do residential. Yeah, like like I've touched 120 and I'm confident I could figure it out. I've wired a three way switch before, but residential and building automation are totally different and DC and AC are totally different. They respond differently. They do different things. And. I think that that's very common. People will put it in one category. Yeah. It was like, oh electrical. You know everything about electrical..

Ayesha (00:17:32) - I think another thing which I allowed the 5G, people thought that radiation sound like Covid, whatever things were going on. And I was like as someone who understands wireless technologies like that will never work. You can't give someone, it won't work with the batteries. Like so many questions, which was really frustrating to explain to people.

Ayesha (00:17:53) - Be like, no, no, this will just absolutely not work. That's not technology that would exist. Yeah.

Lia (00:18:01) - Yeah, that's a good point. You know, sometimes. Oh, that's another really interesting thing that you bring. So okay. Right. It's like how many times have you heard someone say something and it telephones. So many people end up saying it that it becomes, quote, truth like,, there was a guy that was studying, you know, different parts of the brain. And he said somehow, some way the comment of we only use 10% of our brain was mentioned. And everyone says that like, it's true. It is not true. Yeah. At all. That's not what was said. It just mutated into the saying, yeah, crazy. I wonder why we're so easily accepting of oh, if we hear everybody saying it, it must be true.

Ayesha (00:18:56) - Yeah. I think just like science and Stem communication, it's so hard to do it right to simplify it, but keep all the facts right that sometimes people simplify it a little too much and like lose some of the facts.

Ayesha (00:19:11) - Yeah. Like overcomplicated where like no one wants to learn. So I think that balance is really hard to do.

Lia (00:19:17) - Yes, yes. Oh my gosh. You're dead on. You're dead on. That's exactly probably what happens. Yeah. You're trying to take very complex concepts and break them down. For someone who doesn't sit in that world or doesn't have a foundation, even of that world that makes so much sense., you just blew my mind. Like.

Ayesha (00:19:46) - That's something I kind of. Every time I'm trying to teach something I very consciously like, keep it engaging and keep it simple, but also not lose the facts of accidentally say the wrong thing just for the sake of simplicity. Yes, I think one thing that's related to, again, circuits the flow of current. If you've.

Lia (00:20:05) - Ever.

Ayesha (00:20:06) - Yeah it's.

Lia (00:20:07) - Wrong.

Ayesha (00:20:10) - But then that's just what we all do.

Lia (00:20:12) - Yes. Or the oh my gosh. So when I was an apprentice and they were telling the water scenario, they're like, oh, it flows like water.

Lia (00:20:20) - They're giving that example. I'm like, no, no, totally wrong. Totally stop. Do not teach this. Like stop. That is not what happens. And then people visualize these little electrons just I'm like, that's not that's not what's happening at all.

Ayesha (00:20:36) - Yeah. But that's every beginner textbook. That's the example. I've used that example because just for visualization it helps. But try to select this is just an example. This is not exactly what happens.

Lia (00:20:49) - I think at this point we can come up with other examples. Yeah. Not water. First of all water and electricity like two totally separate things like not even close and how they function. Right. And number two, I saw this really amazing YouTube about the theory of relativity, and they did an excellent job explaining the concept of being on a train and watching things pass by, and how it looks like things are moving by quickly. And if you were running at the same speed on the train, how it would look like everything is stationary, right? Yeah.

Lia (00:21:31) - So I feel with electricity, a great way of explaining it is to understand if you were standing outside of it, that you've got to look at it from a different perspective in order to really absorb what's happening. I like trying to think of different ways of explaining what's really going on with electromagnetic, you know, connections and how things really interplay with one another, how the atoms really air. Quotes moving.

Ayesha (00:22:12) - Yeah, yeah.

Lia (00:22:13) - Not yeah.

Ayesha (00:22:15) - But no, this is so interesting because now I'm like,? I kind of want to try to brainstorm. Think of a better example, and I think this is going to stick with me now. Yeah, that's all I'm going to be thinking of.

Lia (00:22:27) - I've been trying to think of a better way because I know there's a better way. And when you tell someone something like a water analogy with electricity, it's really misleading. It's really misleading in so many ways that as you advance, you will have a harder time understanding those advanced concepts, because you've got this linear way of thinking, oh, it's going in this direction, positive, negative.

Lia (00:22:55) - It's like water flowing through now and then. Good luck explaining all the difference in their resistance and like all this other stuff. And then they use a pipe to try to. Yeah, that's a story like, oh no, I mean, I thought of saying, if you can imagine itty bitty speckles of power vibrating at such an intensity, the thought of trying to give an mental image of that, how it moves outside of what's really happening. The electricity is not in the wire. Yeah, it's not inside the copper. It's actually kind of outside of the copper. Yeah. So things like that. But if we could think of something, I bet you that would be pretty cool.

Ayesha (00:23:48) - The challenge right now.

Lia (00:23:50) - Yes. Is the challenge accepted?

Ayesha (00:23:53) - Oh, yeah. For sure. 100 I tag you.

Lia (00:23:57) - Yeah, yeah. Yes.

Ayesha (00:24:00) - It's also so interesting because I taught a class in which I actually showed that example, like the whole water pipe and everything, and there's such a disconnect because I don't a lot of kids don't know the whole tank pipe system either.

Ayesha (00:24:14) - So it's like you're kind of introducing a new the whole concept to explain this other concept, which is just not an efficient way.

Lia (00:24:21) - Yes, 100%. That's that's a good point. A lot of people don't understand the concept of plumbing. And so you're introducing a completely new concept to explain a concept they don't understand. How is that supposed to work? Make it make sense.

Ayesha (00:24:41) - God will come up with something better.

Lia (00:24:44) - Yeah, that'd be super cool. I'm gonna, like, email you back and forth now. Like, what do you think of this? I'm going to send you that YouTube, because I bet you there's a way it talks about electricity. And if you had, you know, a light on the moon and how fast it would take.

Ayesha (00:25:02) - Yeah, I know what you're talking about. It's Veritasium. Is that who made that?

Lia (00:25:08) - Yes. Yeah, yeah, I watched that. I felt like they did an excellent job at how they explained that functioning. I tried to piggyback off of that on how can I explain electricity in that way.

Lia (00:25:25) - The other thing is, you know, you have textbooks telling you it's energy, and then some textbooks say it's matter. Yeah, yeah, that is wild too. Yeah. How do you break that down?

Ayesha (00:25:43) - Yeah. It's all these, like, books were written so long ago. And we still keep using that without, like, a deep brush.

Lia (00:25:50) - Oh my gosh. Right. Why are we still using them.

Ayesha (00:25:54) - Professors nope I do yeah.

Lia (00:25:58) - The academic world needs to catch up.

Ayesha (00:26:02) - Yeah. It's a lot of gatekeeping and just restrictive.

Lia (00:26:06) - Yes. And that's a really beautiful thing that you talk about that you want to get rid of the gatekeeping. And I want you to go into that a little bit more in depth for people who might not have a baseline of what that represents.

Ayesha (00:26:24) - Yeah. Academia is something that's definitely get kept right. You need money to go to college. You need all these pay so much for textbooks, all these resources. Everything costs money and it's not readily available. And hardware, especially electrical engineering and hardware specific I guess careers, they have not caught up with something like software.

Ayesha (00:26:46) - Everything in software is available online to learn. People do it on their own, and we just haven't done a good job of catching up, which I think now more makers learning these concepts on their own and are like readily sharing and trying to teach other people, getting rid of that gatekeeping a little bit and trying to do projects in an open source manner. So if they make something, not just show the final effect so people are applauding their intellect instead showing each step so others can follow along. This is a whole new skill. That is so under appreciated. So I think that's like going away, which is amazing now.

Lia (00:27:27) - Do you enjoy teaching?

Ayesha (00:27:29) - I love teaching and I feel like it's something that yeah, I wish if I could do it with the same level of financial support I get by being an engineer, I would 100% do that.

Lia (00:27:42) - Oh, I love that. I love that so much. You never know, right? You can always you never know. Life is crazy. And you and definitely not in the sense of being a college professor or a high school teacher.

Lia (00:27:58) - You're not going to see that type of financial parallel to an electrical engineer, for sure. However, nowadays, like you were just saying with teaching and stuff, have you ever thought of building your own course? Have you ever thought of taking on a small group and helping them through?

Ayesha (00:28:18) - I've definitely thought of it. Everything I've done so far in a Stem education has been like free and targeted towards underrepresented groups, which I'd still love to do, but I would love to teach the way I think, which seems to resonate with more people. But at least the people that I'm interested to get in Stem careers. So I definitely want to make programs that I that they can follow along.

Lia (00:28:45) - That's so cool, I can't wait. I hope you move forward with that because as someone who I shared, I'm trying to better understand DC. I'm trying to better understand electronics. I struggle there, and I have had the most painful experience trying to find a mentor, trying to find someone to teach me. And it's either they don't want to teach, they want to gatekeeper.

Lia (00:29:15) - They're afraid of giving out that information or they're horrible at it. Yeah, they're not capable of teaching with. And when you said it's underrated, you're right. It is. It's quite a skill to be able to teach someone else something.

Ayesha (00:29:32) - So yeah, that's another good point. Like a lot of people who are good at doing something are not always the best at explaining something. Yeah. So yeah, you're absolutely right about that. It's mentorship is also such an interesting topic, especially for underrepresented groups. Again, to find mentors. Yeah. Because yeah, it needs to come from the mentor a lot of times and a lot of mentors. In my experience in engineering, it's usually older white men who try to see people who look like them to mentor again because they're like seeing their youth or whatever through them, which is like, yeah, it's not the same as you, but I still need mentorship, right?

Lia (00:30:15) - Right. And I find they shy away. They shy away from really taking you under their wing.

Lia (00:30:21) - And I think that trickles into many different categories there of why that happens. But you have this amazing, successful career. You are wonderfully well-rounded. What tool is in your tool belt? What's something that you carry with you in the back of your mind every day that's helped you accomplish all of your goals?

Ayesha (00:30:45) - I can't think of one, but I'm definitely someone who loves learning. So just showing up every day as it's a learning opportunity, which has helped me with my imposter syndrome a lot. Because a lot of times you're like scared when something new is presented. But taking it on as this is an opportunity. I don't know this, but I'll get to know this. That's helped me. It's just like a mindset thing.

Lia (00:31:08) - Yes, I'm with you. I'm a forever learner and it's a great tool and it helps break down that fear of, I really suck at this. Yeah, yeah. To okay, I'm in the process of understanding this, right? Yeah.

Ayesha (00:31:24) - And I don't know about you, but I'm definitely a slow learner.

Ayesha (00:31:27) - Yeah. Which something I always thought I'm won't be a good engineer because of that. But then after working as an engineer for so long, I think that's something that has helped me because I've taken my time to really understand everything and not just like quickly grasp, grasp something and like run with it. Yeah. So yeah, that's helped for sure.

Lia (00:31:48) - A hidden joke with the electricians and construction world. Whenever we get our schematics from electrical engineers for our projects, they always tease that the programming and the devices and the things that you use, there's lots of math, there's lots of science involved that what the computer says can happen and what physically can be done are two totally different things. Yeah.

Ayesha (00:32:15) - Yeah.

Lia (00:32:15) - So one of the things that always I couldn't understand is. In our community is the electricians, the guys they didn't want to, like, get together with the electrical engineers and collaborate. And it's like, can you imagine how amazing and what could be built if that was the case? Because you're combining two amazing things to get this incredible project built and two different types of ways of looking at things, some one is more physically done right and the other one is with more of your mental capacity.

Lia (00:32:57) - And. I think that that would have been a really beautiful thing. But they have this stigma like, oh, the college electrical engineer, you know, like, yeah, they don't know the practicality of this. And, you know, it's like this animosity. Yeah. And it's so silly. It's like doing the same thing guys. Yeah.

Ayesha (00:33:20) - The ball is.

Lia (00:33:21) - There. Right, right. Yeah..

Ayesha (00:33:25) - I guess in my parallel that's a lot of like production. So at my previous job, I worked at a robotics startup where we built all our robots in-house. And like there was a disconnect between like, production and engineering and that sense, it's like, oh, it works in theory. It works on my bench. But as soon as I give a circuit board and it's getting integrated, something's not right. Yeah. So there was definitely a disconnect there. Like to try to figure it out. But I think since I was a startup we like work next to each other that we figured out.

Ayesha (00:33:55) - Oh your do you're plugging in wires in a different sequence than I do, which is like introducing a new issue which I hadn't thought about.

Lia (00:34:04) - Yeah, but look at how awesome that is. And then that's how you can really problem solve and troubleshoot, right. Yeah. Yeah. Oh cool.

Ayesha (00:34:11) - It makes the designs better do that.

Lia (00:34:13) - Yes yes yes 100% 100%. Oh my gosh. Thank you so much for coming on this Sparky life and being here with me.

Ayesha (00:34:23) - This was so much fun.

Lia (00:34:25) - Yes, it was a pleasure.

Lia (00:34:27) - Thank you for joining us.

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